{"id":8517,"date":"2026-06-12T11:15:00","date_gmt":"2026-06-12T09:15:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.muatsdrawig.at\/?p=8517"},"modified":"2026-06-05T18:04:31","modified_gmt":"2026-06-05T16:04:31","slug":"kurze-wanderung-am-miesweg-am-traunsee-wunderschoener-alpiner-spaziergang-im-salzkammergut","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.muatsdrawig.at\/en\/kurze-wanderung-am-miesweg-am-traunsee-wunderschoener-alpiner-spaziergang-im-salzkammergut","title":{"rendered":"Short hike on the Miesweg by Lake Traunsee \u2013 beautiful alpine walk in the Salzkammergut"},"content":{"rendered":"<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">The Miesweg \u2013 right at the foot of the Traunstein \u2013 is ideal for all times of the day and for a spontaneous hiking trip.<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Wer eine kurze Wanderung (oder wie ich es gerne nenne: alpinen Spaziergang) einlegen m\u00f6chte, ist am Miesweg absolut richtig. Hier bekommt man alles, was man will: alpine Passagen (u.a. mit Leitern), tolle Aussicht, Wasser, Stege \ud83e\udd29 und das in nur rund einer Stunde Wanderung.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Somit ist der Miesweg nicht nur wundersch\u00f6n, sondern auch absolut anf\u00e4ngerfreundlich. Richtige Ausr\u00fcstung, Schwindelfreiheit und Trittsicherheit sind dennoch Voraussetzung. \ud83c\udfde\ufe0f<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full is-resized\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1500\" height=\"2000\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.muatsdrawig.at\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/img_2053.jpg?resize=1500%2C2000&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"Hiking trail on the Miesweg Short hike on the Miesweg on Lake Traun - beautiful alpine walk in Salzkammergut\" class=\"wp-image-8515\" style=\"aspect-ratio:0.7500051853234605;width:451px;height:auto\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.muatsdrawig.at\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/img_2053.jpg?w=1500&amp;ssl=1 1500w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.muatsdrawig.at\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/img_2053.jpg?resize=768%2C1024&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.muatsdrawig.at\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/img_2053.jpg?resize=1152%2C1536&amp;ssl=1 1152w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.muatsdrawig.at\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/img_2053.jpg?resize=9%2C12&amp;ssl=1 9w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Footpath on the Miesweg<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">You absolutely have to watch my Reel about it on Instagram:<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<div align=\"center\"><blockquote class=\"instagram-media\" data-instgrm-captioned data-instgrm-permalink=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/reel\/DZJuFD-NRDE\/?utm_source=ig_embed&amp;utm_campaign=loading\" data-instgrm-version=\"14\" style=\" background:#FFF; 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border-bottom: 2px solid transparent; transform: translateX(16px) translateY(-4px) rotate(30deg)\"><\/div><\/div><div style=\"margin-left: auto;\"> <div style=\" width: 0px; border-top: 8px solid #F4F4F4; border-right: 8px solid transparent; transform: translateY(16px);\"><\/div> <div style=\" background-color: #F4F4F4; flex-grow: 0; height: 12px; width: 16px; transform: translateY(-4px);\"><\/div> <div style=\" width: 0; height: 0; border-top: 8px solid #F4F4F4; border-left: 8px solid transparent; transform: translateY(-4px) translateX(8px);\"><\/div><\/div><\/div> <div style=\"display: flex; flex-direction: column; flex-grow: 1; justify-content: center; margin-bottom: 24px;\"> <div style=\" background-color: #F4F4F4; border-radius: 4px; flex-grow: 0; height: 14px; margin-bottom: 6px; width: 224px;\"><\/div> <div style=\" background-color: #F4F4F4; border-radius: 4px; flex-grow: 0; height: 14px; width: 144px;\"><\/div><\/div><\/a><p style=\" color:#c9c8cd; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; font-size:14px; line-height:17px; margin-bottom:0; margin-top:8px; overflow:hidden; padding:8px 0 7px; text-align:center; text-overflow:ellipsis; white-space:nowrap;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/reel\/DZJuFD-NRDE\/?utm_source=ig_embed&amp;utm_campaign=loading\" style=\" color:#c9c8cd; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; font-size:14px; font-style:normal; font-weight:normal; line-height:17px; text-decoration:none;\" target=\"_blank\">A post shared by Outdoor &amp; excursion tips in Austria (by Elyas) (@muatsdrawig.at)<\/a><\/p><\/div><\/blockquote>\n<script async src=\"\/\/www.instagram.com\/embed.js\"><\/script><\/div>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">The hike along the Miesweg<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The hike starts directly at the turnaround point of the Traunstein car park. I always like to take the path via the forest road up to the tunnel, as you pass the memorial stone for the Traunstein victims here and also find a spring with drinking water. Shortly before the tunnel, you then turn right onto the Miesweg.<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full is-resized\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1500\" height=\"2000\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.muatsdrawig.at\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/img_2066.jpg?resize=1500%2C2000&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"Start directly on the Traunsee. Short hike on the Miesweg trail by the Traunsee - beautiful alpine walk in the Salzkammergut.\" class=\"wp-image-8516\" style=\"aspect-ratio:0.7500051853234605;width:502px;height:auto\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.muatsdrawig.at\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/img_2066.jpg?w=1500&amp;ssl=1 1500w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.muatsdrawig.at\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/img_2066.jpg?resize=768%2C1024&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.muatsdrawig.at\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/img_2066.jpg?resize=1152%2C1536&amp;ssl=1 1152w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.muatsdrawig.at\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/img_2066.jpg?resize=9%2C12&amp;ssl=1 9w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Stand directly on Lake Traun<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Der Miesweg f\u00fchrt &#8211; schon fast kitschig &#8211; den Traunsee entlang und belohnt einen mit tollen Eindr\u00fccken. Am Ende des Mieswegs kann man sich im Traunsee abk\u00fchlen \ud83c\udf0a und dann hat man die Wahl: Entweder man geht denselben Weg wieder retour oder man w\u00e4hlt die Stufen hoch und geht dann durch den Tunnel die Forststra\u00dfe zur\u00fcck zum Parkplatz.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Key details for the hike on the Miesweg:<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2705 ca. 3,5 km<br>\u2705 approx. 150 hm<br>\u2705 around 1 hour<br>Suitable for children<br>\u26a0\ufe0f F\u00fcr Hunde nicht geeignet \ud83d\udc15 (au\u00dfer man tr\u00e4gt sie \u00fcber die Leitern)<br>\u26d4\ufe0f not suitable for pushchairs or wheelchairs<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u26a0\ufe0f ATTENTION: We expressly point out that we accept no liability for accidents or possibly closed trails. Before hiking, check the availability of the trail and reflect on your own fitness.<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full is-resized\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1500\" height=\"2000\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.muatsdrawig.at\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/img_2086.jpg?resize=1500%2C2000&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"Selfie at the end of the Miesweg. Short hike along the Miesweg on Lake Traun in the Salzkammergut region \u2013 a beautiful alpine walk.\" class=\"wp-image-8512\" style=\"aspect-ratio:0.7500051853234605;width:457px;height:auto\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.muatsdrawig.at\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/img_2086.jpg?w=1500&amp;ssl=1 1500w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.muatsdrawig.at\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/img_2086.jpg?resize=768%2C1024&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.muatsdrawig.at\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/img_2086.jpg?resize=1152%2C1536&amp;ssl=1 1152w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.muatsdrawig.at\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/img_2086.jpg?resize=9%2C12&amp;ssl=1 9w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Selfie at the end of Miesweg<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Directions and parking for Miesweg<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The drive is directly via Gmunden, where you then drive along the lake to the car park at the turning point. Beware: The car park is subject to a charge (and it's quite expensive! The cheapest 5-hour ticket costs \u20ac15).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Further ahead, there are free parking spaces (for a maximum of 180 minutes) \u2013 however, they are taken very quickly.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Man kann jedoch auch mit den \u00d6ffis und einem Shuttle-Dienst anreisen. \ud83d\ude8c<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Check out public transport right here:<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<script type=\"text\/javascript\" src=\"https:\/\/verkehrsauskunft.ooevv.at\/webapp\/staticfiles\/hafas-widget-core.1.0.0.js?L=vs_ooevv&#038;\"><\/script>\n<div data-hfs-widget=\"true\" data-hfs-widget-tp=\"true\" data-hfs-widget-tp-postform=\"newtab\" data-hfs-widget-tp-arr=\"Traunsteinstra\u00dfe 84, 4810 Gmunden\" data-hfs-widget-tp-arralias=\"Umkehrplatz Traunstein Parkplatz\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Places to eat and drink on the Miesweg<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Bei dieser Wanderung gibt es keine Einkehrm\u00f6glichkeit mit pflanzlicher Auswahl. \u26f0\ufe0f Am besten einfach selbst eine gute Jause und einen feinen Kaffee in der Thermoskanne mitbringen &#8211; dann ist man definitiv auf der sicheren Seite. \ud83e\udd6a\u2615\ufe0f<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full is-resized\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1500\" height=\"2000\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.muatsdrawig.at\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/img_2080.jpg?resize=1500%2C2000&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"Boating on the lake. Short hike on the Miesweg trail on Traunsee - beautiful alpine walk in Salzkammergut.\" class=\"wp-image-8513\" style=\"aspect-ratio:0.7500051853234605;width:404px;height:auto\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.muatsdrawig.at\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/img_2080.jpg?w=1500&amp;ssl=1 1500w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.muatsdrawig.at\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/img_2080.jpg?resize=768%2C1024&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.muatsdrawig.at\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/img_2080.jpg?resize=1152%2C1536&amp;ssl=1 1152w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.muatsdrawig.at\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/img_2080.jpg?resize=9%2C12&amp;ssl=1 9w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Booterl am See<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">My conclusion on the Miesweg<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Der Miesweg ist einer meiner Lieblingsplatzerl. Man kann hier relativ leicht herkommen, hat die Runde spontan und relativ schnell absolviert und hat durchgehend einen traumhaften Ausblick zum See. \ud83c\udfde\ufe0f Die Stege sind richtig sch\u00f6n angelegt und auch die Wanderung selbst macht richtig Spa\u00df. \ud83e\udd29<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Komoot tour to follow yourself<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<iframe src=\"https:\/\/www.komoot.com\/tour\/3014472679\/embed?share_token=ab5sh64OZWLLS2Dbwo3pesJMVlx9zHQJU1MT3RSRIjS4M9AL67&amp;hl=de&amp;layout=classic&amp;profile=1\" width=\"100%\" height=\"700\" frameborder=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Further recommendation<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Did you like this post? Then I have another great hiking tip for you! \ud83e\udd29 Have a read here: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.muatsdrawig.at\/en\/hiking-to-the-nacktes-kalbling-a-dreamlike-5-peak-tour-in-steinbach-am-ziehberg\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Hike to the Naked Kalbling \u2013 Dreamy 5-Peak Tour in Steinbach am Ziehberg<\/a><\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Der Miesweg &#8211; direkt am Fu\u00dfe des Traunsteins &#8211; eignet sich ideal zu jeder Tageszeit und f\u00fcr einen spontanen Wanderausflug. Wer eine kurze Wanderung (oder wie ich es gerne nenne: alpinen Spaziergang) einlegen m\u00f6chte, ist am Miesweg absolut richtig. 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